Any bike will do. There is no such thing as a "sprint bike" The GT you are building in that photo is as fast as anything you will ever find for sprinting. I can assure you of this.
I know that wont stop you so get a BT or the new Corima. Both are very nice anchors. In fact, I would get the Pinarello carbon sprint frame if I were you.
If you think you are a real man, not a Barry Bond blow up doll, then get a Nagasawa Keirin bike. Last a life time.
Dorkinator I have lost all respect for your bike frame opinions. Bt who can argue, they are underneath the fastest riders in the world. Corima, just can not do French. The country as a whole sucks. Nagasawa are you kidding me. Wait 2 years for a steel frame with lugs that look like they came from a 1970's Motobecan.
I like the Tiemeier. But it looks like they are too busy to suit my needs. Looking seriously at the Spicer aero track frame. Does anybody have either positives or negatives on Spicers? I am starting to break stuff so the idea of carbon frame is not at all apealing. Bye BT.
Otherwise it looks like my choices are the tried and true Bianchi, Fuji, Specialized, or Trek. You can not go wrong with Vanilla, but it is still vanilla.
Van Dessel is junk. Fuji Junk. Ridley, Spicer, Teimeyer ver rated and butch logo action.
Have Peackock Groove build you a bike (make your own name up cuse nobody is fast on a bike call Peacock Groove. What the fuck were they thinking. But Erik N is a hell of a builder and it is local.
Otherwise off the shelf Keirin frames are solid, the Schwinn Madison is worth a shot on a budget (heavy like Pink Floyd)
Anyway, the Van Dessell is a fine bike. Perhaps a bit overpriced, but still very nice and rare enough to be cool.
Check with the LSC shop in St. Cloud. I got a hell of a good price on my Bianchi. E-mail me if you need more info.
Unless you're going for some sort of old-school retro thing, I don't see why you'd want a steel track bike (like a Peacock Groove or NJS Keirin frame).
I don't know how serious you are about track riding, but there are some cheap track bikes out there that will suit you fine for your first year of racing. After that, you'll have a better idea of what you really want and can buy a better one.
Flex is vastly under rated and demonized. Flex HELPS you once you know how to race. It may be years it may be next year it may be never. Some people never get it. One obvious advantage is being very fast.
Judging from the Keirin video from states, sometimes fast is not enough.
When you go to nationals, there are 30 guys faster than 11.4 in the 200M. Some of the 11.8 riders will be able to beat you because they know how to race.
Back to steel. It is not an old school remomendation or historically significant act to ride a steel bike. It is simply practicle. Much like learning to drive on a manual transmission, steel teaches you to be more efficient and use flex to your advantage. Flex goes both ways. It will pop you out of a corner like a spring and give you an extra nudge down the stretch.
Flex is good. Flex helps you and also allows a much smother pedal stroke. Flex does not simply go in the opposite direction to infinity, it snaps back. Learn to use the snap and you are faster.
Or not.
Dont by a Surly. Dont buy a KHS or Fuji steel or any other fake track bike fixie wanna be.
You will need a custom bike regardless. If you keep growing at the rate you are you will be 235lbs next summer.
Flexible frames are fast? Weight does not matter. Guys riding 11.8 beating guys riding 11.4. flexy steel frames are faster than stiff frames. Weight does not matter. I agree with you 100%. You should have also added that money, sex and education are also over rated.
So to be a real track racer you need to be a dumb, poor bastard riding a heavy flexy piece of crap and have a bad case of blue balls.
If anyone believes a flexible heavy steel frame is faster than the best aluminum, Ti, or carbon offerings is dumb.
No brain no pain. Some of the best racers I ever met were dummer than a gaggle of cross racers.
"can anybody tell me if I aint getting stupider"
"Is a Pig's Pussy Pork?"
I guess the real question is how often do you intend on replacing your equipment?
Most of your stuff will survive. A good wheelset will last as long as you do. Or get crushed in a crash. But frames??? You have to replace your frame every year. At least that is what I am witnessing on this here blog. Your future.
Truth is this is not really an argument or disagreement. It is really nothing.
The best thing to do is have two bikes exactly the same in every dimension but one is heavier. That is your training bike. Heavier frame and wheels. Perhaps a different material perhaps not. The race bike is exactly the same but lighter with race wheels. Train on one race on the other. Race on your training bike. Train on your racing bike.
Who cares?
Buy two. Problem solved. Everything the same. Your road bike, the same, your cross bike, the same. All the same. If it is a BMX bike...
SAME!
The measurment is center to center saddle to handbar center.
The Same.
Now ride what ever kind of bike you want. Now they are all the same.
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what happened to run what you brung?
My bike is in the shop. All I had were my wheels. Looking for suggestions on best sprint bike frame that I can get by end of September.
Franz
Also note the chevette did a 20.3 hand time standing start 250 on a 92.6" gear which is tall for me.
Franz
Any bike will do. There is no such thing as a "sprint bike" The GT you are building in that photo is as fast as anything you will ever find for sprinting. I can assure you of this.
I know that wont stop you so get a BT or the new Corima. Both are very nice anchors. In fact, I would get the Pinarello carbon sprint frame if I were you.
If you think you are a real man, not a Barry Bond blow up doll, then get a Nagasawa Keirin bike. Last a life time.
Specialized Langster of course!
Barry Bonds is a trackie? Cool.
Getting new shit is half the fun of the sport.
If I wanted something that was gonna last forever, I'd go pick up a case of herpes.
Dorkinator
I have lost all respect for your bike frame opinions. Bt who can argue, they are underneath the fastest riders in the world. Corima, just can not do French. The country as a whole sucks. Nagasawa are you kidding me. Wait 2 years for a steel frame with lugs that look like they came from a 1970's Motobecan.
I like the Tiemeier. But it looks like they are too busy to suit my needs. Looking seriously at the Spicer aero track frame. Does anybody have either positives or negatives on Spicers? I am starting to break stuff so the idea of carbon frame is not at all apealing. Bye BT.
Otherwise it looks like my choices are the tried and true Bianchi, Fuji, Specialized, or Trek. You can not go wrong with Vanilla, but it is still vanilla.
Fraz
I'm going to be on the lookout for a track bike so I like the discussion. Anyone have an opinion on the VanDessel? Seems a bit pricey.
Van Dessel is junk. Fuji Junk. Ridley, Spicer, Teimeyer ver rated and butch logo action.
Have Peackock Groove build you a bike (make your own name up cuse nobody is fast on a bike call Peacock Groove. What the fuck were they thinking. But Erik N is a hell of a builder and it is local.
Otherwise off the shelf Keirin frames are solid, the Schwinn Madison is worth a shot on a budget (heavy like Pink Floyd)
What the hell?
Don't make me disable anonymous posting.
Anyway, the Van Dessell is a fine bike. Perhaps a bit overpriced, but still very nice and rare enough to be cool.
Check with the LSC shop in St. Cloud. I got a hell of a good price on my Bianchi. E-mail me if you need more info.
Unless you're going for some sort of old-school retro thing, I don't see why you'd want a steel track bike (like a Peacock Groove or NJS Keirin frame).
I don't know how serious you are about track riding, but there are some cheap track bikes out there that will suit you fine for your first year of racing. After that, you'll have a better idea of what you really want and can buy a better one.
You are wrong about the Van Dessel. It is not a cool bike. And you would crush it.
You need a custom steel bike. Simple as that.
A Carbon option would be the Calfee. Craig Calfee could build you a light carbon bike that will not break.
The Dark one has crashed his Calfee more times than most people and the only thing that breaks is him.
If you go off the rack Aluminum you are doomed to catastrophic failure.
Light weight does not mean shit for a sprinter frame. You could ride a 40lb block of steel with light wheels and still go fast in the sprint.
Or could you?
OK, maybe I haven't ridden the "right kind" of steel frame, but everything I've ridden in steel has flexed like crazy.
That Van Dessel will work fine for a 140 lb roadie like Frye.
I agree that sprinters need more. But what?
I would love a Calfee, but I would guess they're uber-expensive, and I'm building a new house, so cost has to be a factor.
Flex is vastly under rated and demonized. Flex HELPS you once you know how to race. It may be years it may be next year it may be never. Some people never get it. One obvious advantage is being very fast.
Judging from the Keirin video from states, sometimes fast is not enough.
When you go to nationals, there are 30 guys faster than 11.4 in the 200M. Some of the 11.8 riders will be able to beat you because they know how to race.
Back to steel. It is not an old school remomendation or historically significant act to ride a steel bike. It is simply practicle. Much like learning to drive on a manual transmission, steel teaches you to be more efficient and use flex to your advantage. Flex goes both ways. It will pop you out of a corner like a spring and give you an extra nudge down the stretch.
Flex is good. Flex helps you and also allows a much smother pedal stroke. Flex does not simply go in the opposite direction to infinity, it snaps back. Learn to use the snap and you are faster.
Or not.
Dont by a Surly. Dont buy a KHS or Fuji steel or any other fake track bike fixie wanna be.
You will need a custom bike regardless. If you keep growing at the rate you are you will be 235lbs next summer.
And slower.
Flexible frames are fast? Weight does not matter. Guys riding 11.8 beating guys riding 11.4. flexy steel frames are faster than stiff frames. Weight does not matter. I agree with you 100%. You should have also added that money, sex and education are also over rated.
So to be a real track racer you need to be a dumb, poor bastard riding a heavy flexy piece of crap and have a bad case of blue balls.
If anyone believes a flexible heavy steel frame is faster than the best aluminum, Ti, or carbon offerings is dumb.
No brain no pain. Some of the best racers I ever met were dummer than a gaggle of cross racers.
"can anybody tell me if I aint getting stupider"
"Is a Pig's Pussy Pork?"
I guess the real question is how often do you intend on replacing your equipment?
Most of your stuff will survive. A good wheelset will last as long as you do. Or get crushed in a crash. But frames??? You have to replace your frame every year. At least that is what I am witnessing on this here blog. Your future.
Truth is this is not really an argument or disagreement. It is really nothing.
The best thing to do is have two bikes exactly the same in every dimension but one is heavier. That is your training bike. Heavier frame and wheels. Perhaps a different material perhaps not. The race bike is exactly the same but lighter with race wheels. Train on one race on the other. Race on your training bike. Train on your racing bike.
Who cares?
Buy two. Problem solved. Everything the same. Your road bike, the same, your cross bike, the same. All the same. If it is a BMX bike...
SAME!
The measurment is center to center saddle to handbar center.
The Same.
Now ride what ever kind of bike you want. Now they are all the same.
It works.
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